He could be an otherwise cool person.Īny girl will tell you that in whenever she's been conventionally attractive (eg lost 20 lbs), these guys come out of the woodwork. As another man, you have certainly met them, but you aren't their target, so they will never present this predatory side to you. Orbiters will do so when given the chance and are fairly common. Also some women don't see their orbiters. Then there was the whole 'K-I-S-S-I-N-G' thing.Ī lot of phenomena women experience as mundane, guys dont see and there is no reason you would, unless you lived in convincing drag for a while. When I was really young they used to joke that the girls I was friends on the playground were my 'girlfriends' which made me feel self-conscious. My parents used to assume that I was attracted to all girls I was hanging out with in my teens. This thinking might be related to the idea that boys and girls can't ever be 'just' friends, which is sometimes instilled real early in life. They cannot understand that other men may not share their thought process and may genuinely want to be friends with a woman. Manosphere types see women as sex objects and assume other guys subconsciously think they same way they do but are just unenlightened. However, most of the time when TRPers and MGTOWs call other men 'beta orbiters' it is a form of projection. I have a female relative who is surrounded by these types and doesn't seem aware of it. Some of them have obsessional traits and turn into stalkers, others get bored and move onto a new target. They are fake 'friends' with ulterior motives who only stay in a girl's orbit and remain 'friends' in hope that one day they will be more than that. That type of guy does exist and they are basically next-level nice guys. I imagine there's a sense of relief when they see that the man hasn't freaked out and he's content to not reach out and talk to her again.

I've never been contacted again by a woman who i didn't reach out to after an LJBF type rejection. It's really more like 'I don't want to be friends with you, but I also don't want us to have bad blood between us and hard feelings'. It almost never happens and I've found that in conversations with women an LJBF type rejection is done to preserve the feelings and ego of the guy. Stayed friends with the assumption that she'd get to a point where she'd want to try again. I've met men like this and was a man like this before. If you actually aren't interested in being friends with a woman youre attracted to, you have to be willing to let her go and put your attention to people who are interested in you. Its the guy who hears a 'lets just be friends' rejection and he actually sticks around and gets hurt when he sees her with another guy and will stick around and listen on the phone for hours while she tells him about her troubles.

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